Welcome to this week's edition of Freedom Fridays podcast. It's a very special conversation, this one for me, because I started this a couple of years ago. And my very first guest was a chap that I've met through professional circumstances, we've become mates. And he's back again. So he's he was not only my first guest, but he's my first repeat guest. So please welcome back to the conversation Alex Moffat.
Hello, Pete, I'm really pleased you caught me a mate there.
What else would you be?
Thanks. Appreciate it. Now, it's really good to have been the first one. I remember, what was it, 18 months ago maybe?
Something like that. And I think we're recording it in a car park near the beach. That sounds pretty dodgy, two blokes sitting in the car, talking to each other at the beach. But anyway, we made it work.
With a microphone strapped on me. Good. So yeah, now in the comfort of our own homes, and we can do it this way.
It's good. Yeah. Cool.
So before we kind of, spoiler alerts here, let me let me open with the question. Given It's the freedom Fridays podcast, what freedom - how has freedom changed for you, in the last 18 months?
It's changed massively. So I remember talking with you on the previous one around how, I think I started not so long before that, a compressed fortnight. I'd have my Fridays every fortnight that were freed up through that. And that was my creativity, time to work on the magic in the storytelling and weaving the magic into the messaging and speaking, that I was on a journey to start that business then. So that was great. And I found that because I had that focused time, where the day jobs there and I had just that time to do it. I did it. And I was using that time wisely, and forcing myself into that. And now, so I was made redundant, my role was made or redundant back in June of this year. And so I've gone through this journey of having loads of free time, loads of freedom. But that's starting to scare me a bit, because it's almost too much where you start to lose the the sense of purpose that you had. The head's not in the game as much as it was. And so I kind of now cherish those moments that I did have, where I was at work and working busy and had structure. So I found that I've got less structure, when I shouldn't, you know, I should be still having my own sort of creative structure. But I guess through years of being in the same sort of organisation, similar roles, then you you create a way of working and I'm still trying to find that way for myself. So there's that aspect of it, there's just more freedom. But is it too much is the question? People hear me say I've got too much freedom, like I said to a mate the other day, he was like, I would love a few months off. You know, it's yeah, you've got to be careful what you wish for. But yeah, I basically am now in this journey, where I'm looking for a full time opportunity. But I'm also using the time when I can balanced out to develop more of this magic speaking business. But I could be doing it a lot better I feel, and I'm not. Even I've got all the time in the world I'm not using it as wisely as I did when I had concentrated time. It's very easy to get distracted, live a way of life that I am at the moment. So that's where I'm at with freedom. So a little bit scared of it right now.
Interesting. Thank you, first of all, so much for sharing that. Because I think it'd be very easy to be in your situation and put on this mask of it's great. It's awesome. I get to spend time with the kids in the family and, you know, do bits and pieces and you know, and yet, I think for most people after a large portion of our lives working, which for most people, that's the case. To suddenly be given, perhaps your choice of view and the freedom not to the thought is probably nicer than the experience sometimes. Apart from the first few weeks and days where it's a little bit novelty in its nice and you can 'oh what am I going to do today?'. As you say, you know, it goes on and on and on. And it becomes too much of a good thing. So I really want us to acknowledge and thank you for being willing to share that.
Yeah, no, you're dead right. It was great in the beginning. I've had a holiday in Fiji. Now enabled to do all that sort of stuff but yeah, time with the kids. So when I do get a job, I'll probably be missing this.
I want to pick up on a couple of things if I may that are. I've heard over the years. And I wonder if you'd be willing to share your perspective, and was one of the first thing you said, Actually. You started by saying I was made redundant, but then you corrected it to that your role was made redundant. Which is an interesting, and sometimes a very difficult distinction to make, particularly when it happens to yourself. Can you maybe just share your thinking about that? And was that an easy distinction to make? Did you come to that conclusion quickly? Has that been over time you've accepted it's the role and not yourself? Do you still harbour a little bit of fear and anxiety that maybe it is me?
I think it's a mixture of that you, yourself get impacted. So that is a 'Oh, my God, my, my world's changing'. Everyone else, like my family's world, therefore changes slightly. And it's a bit of a saying sort of made redundant, you know. That I was actually, when I posted on LinkedIn once about it, someone corrected me in the comments on it, very respectfully, as well. And they were dead, right, that it wasn't me. And it was a bit of a comment on - I shouldn't be so hard on myself. It's the role. And so that's a bit I've still in my head, obviously got it, the previous narrative. But that was triggered, at the very moment that I said it, and hence corrected it. I understand that it's the role. But yeah, it's one of those things that's sort of just built in to how I've said it, I suppose.
You and I think many people, and if I, you know, extend the distinction, I think, over our lives, the many roles that we play, they become redundant, or do they just change in colour, and hue and shade? So I'm at the stage now where my kids are no longer at school. So that's probably, you know, 20 years of school aged kids. And the role that I played in being a father of kids at school is now redundant. But interestingly, I don't see my role as a parent, as redundant. The hue, the colour, the shade has changed. And yet, I'm not mourning, necessarily the loss of the school age, father role redundancy. But interestingly, if I was if I was in your situation, and I feel it, in some ways, because I'm an external consultant, I really only get paid to turn up and what my thinking is, etc, etc. If suddenly I go through a quiet patch, for whatever circumstances, it's like, oh, hang on, peach. No, no longer important. And I had the same feeling sometimes about peach no longer worth that peach no longer good enough peach now redundant, as opposed to the role is redundant. Because I know that's not the case. There must be hundreds of 1000s of solopreneurs entrepreneurs, consultants, like you and our eyes that are busy on every single day, you walk into any hotel, anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world, and all of the meeting rooms are booked up with stuff. Yeah. So I wonder if you have any thoughts on on that?
Yeah, I can see it in the roles that I've had in my former employer, where the job that I started, even with the same title wasn't the job that I finished. Because the business changes, the people change the regulation changes. Royal Commission comes in changes things. So things like that cause your role to have a different edge to it, and hues, things like that. But of course, I grew in that role, as well in leadership. So things that I was doing at the beginning, as a leader, I wasn't doing so much at the end of the leader, even so, it's like, development and growth, isn't it and things come and go on the journey. With all the things I used to do when the kids were little that I don't do so much now. Although we've just got a puppy, so I'm finding myself doing things during the baby talk, that was redundant. Yep. That's all come back. So yeah, we as things come into our lives and change and adapt we, we evolve as well, don't we?
Yeah. It makes me smile that I think puppies and babies are probably the world's most immediate state changer.
In the first week we had him. He's called Magic, by the way. Brilliant. I spent the whole week at the end of the week, would I have done with my week? Got all this freedom, obviously. But I actually thought there was such a distraction that I wondered what I would have been doing. Yeah. If we hadn't had that dog.
Fascinating. What kind of dog is it?
It's a cavoodle. So toy Cavoodle. So quite popular. My wife's got the allergies. So it's one of those with good with allergies. Right.
I'm also intrigued by one of the things you said at the start. You know, given this is the freedom Fridays podcast that you said, and I don't want to labour on I don't want to get literally I'd love to explore it. But the you know, a bit scared of having too much freedom. And yet in previous positions, like you talked about your mate and I'd love to have a few months off? Can you just share that distinction? Where is that line that you've consciously or not crossed, where one side of the line freedom was an ambition. Whereas the other side of the line freedom is now a constraint?
I think it's I'm still trying to find the balance of this magic business speaking business with finding the role. And I think as time has gone on, it becomes a little bit more worry worrisome. When is it going to materialise and the magic speaking business is not something that's going to take off overnight. I'd love it too. But it's just slowly building. So it's that I think a mixture of worry about where/when things are going to happen. So it's I'm doing, hopefully, I'm told the right things during the week to make things happen. But that actual line probably was in the last month, I would say it's, I thought things will have happened by now. And they haven't. So therefore, you know, I had these ambitions and goals and things like that, that hadn't quite gone as fast or come as fast as I wanted them to. So therefore, that's then started making me feel like I really would rather you know that less freedom and be in that role, as opposed to continuing to enjoy it like it was the beginning.
And so had those expectations that you set yourself. And I would possibly even argue a little bit blindly. Because that's, you know, what some of the goal setting methodologies suggest, you know, dream big, having had those expectations that you set not met. Now, is that the resistance to the speed, or the goal that's causing the the scariness around freedom?
Probably the speed. Yeah, it's Christmas is around the corner. Time thing for me. That's the worry. And my biggest problem is that I'm trying to balance the two things. So really, you know, my head, I go will should I've just put the magic to the side. And gone all in looking for a job, may or may not have been a full time job now, pick up magic again on the side, and continue where it was 12 months ago. Or the other side of the coin, I could have gone all in on the magic speaking business. And would that have grown and further ahead in the curve than it is now? I think I've probably hindered myself a bit by trying to balance the two. And that's part of the lack of structure that I've had to think as well. If I'd done things differently, I probably would have gone right, putting down the magic for a bit. Let's just out for the role and then still continue to been when I've got that still continued to just build the magic on the side as a side hustle that it's.
Yeah. And whether it's, you know, the two parameters that you're juggling, I think most people face that dilemma of trying to balance the yin and the yang, the the personal and the professional, the current job and the side hustle the personal life and work life. Anyone that's balancing or trying to and my perspective is it's rarely ever in balance. It's probably an oscillating you know, a to and a fro and a toggling between. We just hope that the toggling doesn't get too extreme. Sometimes, are there any, and it's been a short time for you so far, or any are there any hints or tips that you'd give to others who are seeking balance between two potentially competing priorities, any mistakes that you've made that you wouldn't do again, or anything you're still working on, that's work in progress that you can't really report on do it this way, don't do it that way. But it's sensing, it's giving you some sort of sense of how to balance those things.
Yeah. And it's good that you feel it's been a short time so far, because from your perspective, it feels like a long time, to me, from June and then just a few months prior, obviously, it feels like it's been going on forever. So things I would have done differently, are early on in the process, I probably would have taken myself out of the house a bit more. Because while I've got my magic room slash study type area, which I love being in and kids come and go from school, with school holidays, getting COVID and things like that, there's been a lot of, I'd say noise and distraction in the house over the past three months, because we've had holiday, we've all had COVID. It's not been a consistent thing like I was used to. So I probably would have taken myself out of the house and whether that's going to one of those shared workspaces. We Work which I was thinking about this week, or just the local library or community centre, shared office, just something that would have given me that purpose to get right on there for eight hours, whatever it is, this is what I'm going get done in that day. That's what I would have done earlier on. And so that's something I'm just yesterday, in fact, gone, right, that's what I'm actually going to do now on spend, just test it out a couple of days, a week and see how that goes. It's making. And certainly while the school holidays around as well.
What else?
Probably just decide what long term is the best for you, your family, finances, etc. And go right with that, what's the priority long term, as opposed to the dream and the passion can take over emotionally, and get it right. That's what I want now to happen. So, but long term financially, it's probably better to go that way, what's better long term financially, and is just cement that with the job searching if they were in a similar position, if someone's already in a role, and they've got a side hustle, then it would be spending an hour a day, building up that side hustle outside of work. So just keep chipping regularly. If you can do the compressed week or fortnight like I did, then with the place of work that people are up, then that's really that was going well, a year or two ago.
And the extent to which you've considered the long term position that you'd like to be in. How much of that do you think is coloured by your current position?
Yes, because it is that what I'm wishing for right now, you see, so it's hard to see that but then, you know, talking with my wife back then, that's what she could see. Because she's not got this passion for the magic like I have. So she could see the very simple Well, it's just about getting a job, isn't it? Just don't worry about the magic for now. But I've had the time and resources and still have the time and resources from my role being made redundant to not worry too much. But it is getting, it's crossed that line, I feel now with Christmas approaching, where I kind of have done things differently.
Yeah. And just explain to some listeners who are perhaps not we're recording this in Australia, there isn't Christmas is such an important milestone for us here is normally as you move into
early mid December, things closed down a little bit. Certainly on the recruitment side. January is a big summer holiday, lots of public holidays and times and really, things only really get back up to speed, February time. So often the position not always but often the position certainly in Australia is that if you don't get the role by December, it's probably February March. Yeah, yes. That's, that's the concern, right?
Yeah, it is, because then you're on the sort of homestretch of where I am personally, just with after almost 10 years and items that are beyond the homestretch of really then needing to find something before having to make changes. Yeah.
And if you're just picking up on that, have you thought about doing anything different, as in not, not from a career, or a longevity or a financial position, but just doing something completely different that Alex Moffat would never have considered, and he's not doing it for money is purely doing it just to get out?
Well, the only thing I've added to my life, that's new recently is a course that I've started. So that's to grow me and upskill me. But it's not wildly different. But it's in the the neuro Leadership Institute, to the brain based coaching. So I have used some of the career training funds that I was given to go on that, I'll be able to do join that and do that. So that's to help me grow as a leader in a leadership role, but also leadership coaching. So it's about that the neuroscience of coaching, and the emotions and the solutions focused coaching. So that's something that I'm doing where I'm feeling like I'm making progress on something while I'm not in the actual career. Regardless of what happens, I'll come out as a more well equipped person at the end of this, and with new skills, but also, I really like the idea of coaching people, you know, having coaching clients one on one as well, to, to do on the side at some point, if it's not a career in coaching. So there's that, in terms of other things that are wildly different, I've not thought of anything. completely strange. I'll still do my exercise, outside, lot of running.
The reason I'm asking is because and this is, my hopefully, you might find this kind of funny. It wasn't intended to be funny, but I enjoyed the experience when I so that the same sort of thing happened to me, although it's probably more of a choice to leave the business I was in six, seven years ago, and go out on my own, with no real well, no clients, no pipeline, nothing. And I've kind of been fortunate that it's worked out, I'm still around six years later. In one of the local papers, there was an advert or a request for middle aged white men to come and act as extras on TV shows. Right? Right. So I applied right, thinking, nothing is really going to happen, because you know what, we didn't get that far. But And ironically, I got a couple of extras gigs. It was 100 bucks a day. I didn't do it for the money, there was no money, it was actually a waste of money in some ways. But I had a really interesting time doing something that had I been working full time I would never have done because I didn't have the time. And I got maybe, you know, once I'd registered and seen that I was I could speak English, etc, etc, whatever they wanted. In particular, I got, I probably got about, you know, half a dozen phone calls within the first week. And it was an interesting experience in just doing something completely different. Not for any other reason than just experiment with something that was no so my comfort zone because I quite enjoyed that aspect of, you know, performance, but that I would never have considered them because financially I could. Yeah, I couldn't give up a day to sit around being extra to, you know, walk through a camera screen eight times for 100 bucks, and it took six hours to do it. So I couldn't do it. But that I did that. And it Petered out after a while because I got busy, but it's something that I really enjoyed. And I'm glad that I did it. And I'm wondering if there's anything like that for you where you can go, I wonder what it's like to be an Uber driver. I wonder what it's like to deliver pizzas. Like to I don't know. So Christmas cards on George Street for the homeless children of Australia. Yeah. And I can't make it up here but I wonder if that's crossed your mind to
anything? Yeah, I chatted with another magician in Sydney a couple of months ago having a coffee and he he's he does Uber driving and loves it just daytime not not Timing. He also when he was going through a bit of period, where he needed to raise some funds needed courier delivery. So things like that, you know, Uber driving is has obviously been, has come up as a conversation, but I don't feel I'm at that point just yet. But it might be just something where you meet people that can then make a difference in your life. So while making money, I have to clean my car.
I wonder if there's an opportunity for you using your magic somewhere. Yeah, you know, schools, old people's homes, supermarkets. You know, I read that there's, you know, the TV programme, old people's homes in four years, that sort of idea that there's no a new one about, you know, old people's homes and teenagers were the benefit for both. There's something in that as something that connects us. I'm wondering if there's other ways you can utilise your magic.
That's good idea. There's, I started when I was 1516, with a mentor of mine, you know, people's homes, doing magic, watching him, entertain them. And he was off that almost off that he himself entertaining them. And I then came in as this little teenager doing it. So that would be a lovely thing to do. And then I had a gig on Saturday night, and a lady came up and asked for my card and then said, my father's dying, would you mind her private performance to him? And I said, of course, so. And that's something where I go while I was driving home, I was thinking, you know, there's no way I'm going to take a fee for something like that this lady asked for a card and would like me to do that, then I just would feel really good. If someone who obviously loves magic is not very well, then it be a great way of giving some joy to someone, something that they love. So you just little things like that, that I probably need to think about more, get out and do so yeah, thank you for
Well, yeah, and this is not, you know, a conversation really, I read recently that if you're selling a bit in there, on the inside, and get outside. Yeah. And you know, it's far easier to act you went a different way of thinking is to think your way into a different way of acting. So just getting out and doing stuff, just as you say, whether it's the working or the connecting, or the it just offers a different energy and a different perspective to one where in your situation, the walls feel like they're closing in.
That's right. And that's part of the going to a workspace or library to do work is to just get out of those, the daily monotony that it feels like going through the rigmarole. So that that could be an extra little thing that I slip into the day and go visit some people and show a bit of magic and
see where it takes me. So do you mind if we pick up on that? Obviously, you've had some time now more concentrated time working on your magic? What have you learned about magic in the last few months,
I'll probably learn more around other things that I'm trying to relate magic to. Okay, then probably in turn, gives me some insights into magic. I've learned that it's, it is hard. You know, I've spent a year and a half or two years close to designing stuff and creating stuff. And I filmed some new things yesterday that one of them put out today using sleight of hand. But again, it's always the metaphor. And so it's often I get my inspiration from outside of magic, to then make the dots in my brain go. I could use magic with that. And the one today was around acronyms. And the what's the one I did today it was team. So Together Everyone Achieves more. I've seen it on a LinkedIn post. There's a whole list of them. So I've got a whole list of different videos that I'm going to do. And it wasn't well how can I changed that team and reframe it into the Together Everyone Achieves more using magic. So it's a switch or change a visual change from it. But it's a reframing of of that into this meaning so and that was from that inspiration of just seeing the acronym. That was probably where I've learned more on how to whenever I see something, I'm applying the lens of magic through it. Right and then recalling it All my knowledge of magic, that's the back of my brain. They're just coming to the front based on what I've seen. But it's got to have certain principles involved. So can it be changed? Is it something that's transforming and changing? Because that's a magic related thing? Is it something held or stretched or strong or heavy? You know these things, you can always apply some kind of to it. So I'd say I've spent more on that than I have in the magic in the last few months, and it's crossed my mind because I've got some new books recently, and I walked past the bookcase sitting the room next to the bookcase. Should I be going back into the magic to then see what happens the other way around. That's probably how it started 18 months to two years ago on researching the books and then seeing what came from that. But now I'm digging more into magic being a supporting thing. So I need to have the the the inspiration from outside of it to begin with I think.
For me, I think the magic it if we accept that we're in a very noisy environment, there's so much stimuli and noise and information hitting our senses. What the magic does is it makes it visually and cognitively memorable. Yeah, so it's more likely to stick and more or less have to remember, even if it is a simple little trick that you go, it took me 20 hours to perfect that and it shows up in three seconds. I get that. But for the listener for the receiver, that memorability means it might just stick front of mine longer than it used to apply a little bit more,
Yeah, and understand it and receive it to receive the message just that little bit stronger or differently. And that's what I'm trying to convince people with my journey at the moment that it is about just having that message well received with clarity and it sticks. So they'll recall it months, years later, through some means they'll see something that resembles what they saw in the past and go, or remember that that guy did a trick there. But if it's a message that a corporation organisation is trying to have conveyed to their people, then it's got to be something that's easily remembered. And anything visual is always remembered. Brain receives it 60,000 times faster when it's a visual than anything else. And we take in our brains taking something like 90% of everything we're taking in each day is visual, of course, because we're looking around at things all day. But when you add that layer of magic to it, and illusion and deception and that psychology, then it just taps into something up here doesn't it that makes people have that sense of wonder, surprise, joy, humour. But also, how's that happening? what's just happened there, it just sort of just disrupts them just slightly to then go. Right. That's, that's different. And it's visual. So that's what I'm trying to convince people on this journey.
it's, it's interesting that that's whenever you see magic done, or you experience it, and that the YouTube videos that I've watched the magic that I've experienced when someone produces magic? Often the question, I would say, I'd be interested in your view, but I would say 99% of the time was, how did you do that? It's a whole question. But it said, whether a wonderment or curiosity and all oneness of wow, how did you do that?
I think we talked on our last one about sometimes not wanting to know, as well. Potentially, we spoke on that. But yeah, there's always that, because it's the magics rubbish, then it's a case of our scene, how did that. So it's then just kind of, there might be a message in it, or the trick might be nice, but it just sort of overtakes the rest of it. If it's just obvious how it's done. It becomes a reveal in a way. So the magic still needs to be good and fooling. But I still say that secondary to the message. It's just or the entertainment side of things. Right. But if the magic isn't falling, then that comes to the fore. Because that's people talk about so you see it on comments on YouTube clips, people will go I can see flash between his fingers there or you know, switch the card here, you know, they right right now No matter how skillful it was, that's what they remember that it was that they've worked it out. So it still has to be strong. But the message is the most important thing.
There's a couple of things that's triggered for me specifically about magic. One is I remember seeing there was a Penn and Teller are probably one of the world's greatest magician Joe's. And they had a show set up for magicians to try and trick them, who knew every trick in the book, to see if they could fool the magicians. And then the second thing was, I think it might have been a UK programme called the masked magician, who actually did the show was all about showing you how the tricks were done. Yeah.
So that was a US guy. He was called Valentino, the master magician, eventually unmasked. But yeah, that was quite old. That show now must be at least 20 years old. And yeah, that was the biggest sort of first time people were revealed, revealing effects. And then of course, YouTube. Now there's lots of magicians made lots of money on YouTube and Tiktok revealing magic. Yeah, they'll film effects and then they'll show it on another post from this angle. And people get a look inside the workings of the magic. And of course, that gets heaps of views and engagement. So magicians love them out there and making a lot of money revealing right now. So yeah, but with the Penn and Teller angle, their show was good, like you said, designed for magicians, so not so much like the got talent shows where they're not created for magicians are created for every entertainer. Dependent teller show, the full show is very respectful of magicians because it's Panatela. US baby that show. So they get to do their act, and have it filmed and produced exactly how the performer would want it to be. Because it's all about the the magic and integrity of that magician. So if they happen to fool them, then you know they they love it. But if they don't, the magician is just love being on the show. Yeah, they get to do their act and just perform in their Theatre in front of Panatela is just a dream for many magicians anyway, so comes not about, I'm just going for them. It becomes I'm going on their show. And if a full bonus.
Yeah, and I'm assuming in your world that Penn and Teller are up there with some of the top people that you'd want to be inspired by and inspiring off?
Yeah, definitely. They'd be up there. So I went to see them. They were at the opera house a few months ago. So took my three children see Panatela and it was brilliant. First time I've ever seen them live. I've seen him for many years on TV. Copperfield still at theirs as my favourite and David Blaine, and then an Intel rebuilt there. Right. Very good.
Alex, I'm conscious of time. So maybe a couple of final questions from me, in your current field of freedom that you have, what's the best thing you've done with magic?
Probably what I feel I'm doing is different from what won't be many of me in the world doing this. So what I feel I'm doing is creating things that have magic involved, that haven't been done before. So the creativity aspect of it is important to me. So some of the stuff obviously the ideas I get from books, and I have used certain props and things like that, that aren't mine. But for example, the one I posted today well 28th September today that's a creation of my own. And the the idea of the acronym obviously, that we talked about team came that's not mine, that's comes from whoever created that originally. But the the idea of creating that into effect with sleight of hand and did take probably more than 20 hours of practice on that one for like 16 seconds. The video is, you know, that's mine. So it's creating things that hadn't been done before in that way. So magic is a supporting message for speakers is not new that's out there. It's been out there for a long time big in America. But these short bursts of short message videos. We don't see that often at all. So certainly for the short ones consistently as well. up. So that's where I feel what I've done with magic is things that hadn't been done before.
Yeah, the it would appear to me that the effort required for the return is not necessarily commensurate with you know, one for one, you know, 20 hours for a 16 second clip. That's extraordinary.
The good thing is, though, is that that piece of sleight of hand has probably been used in lots of other things. By me, so it took that long. And now I don't have to practice it so much. So a weeks of practice and then it was done. You know, my son, Zack during the filming. So probably 10 minutes of filming, making sure he's getting the right sort of positioning and things like that. And then putting it together on the the editing. So yeah, but that actual piece of sleight of hand was used by the world champion in his world championship winning act in 2017, or 18, a guy called Eric Chin. He then went on to win Asia's got talent with it. And as part of his act, and then also America's Got Talent, he got to the semi finals using this little piece of sleight of hand as part of his bigger act. So it's grown legs. And then now it's these little snippets and showcase things in lots of different things.
Cool. Where can people get ahold of your work in there, check out your magic stuff.
So on LinkedIn, my profile there, my website is www.alexmoffat.au. So I've managed to get that.au thing that was new now in Australia. And that's got the speaking side of thing is that website, and there's some videos on there. But on the LinkedIn profile, you'll be able to see lots of examples on there, of little videos that I've made, that I've got on my future section.
Put all those links into the show notes and just to perhaps lighten our ending, here are some some quickfire questions for you if you would be if you would indulge. What's your favourite magic prop?
Pack of cards, I would say. It's a It's not necessarily magic properties. It's playing cards, but it's what I love the most in terms of my magic.
Okay, favourite suit?
Yeah, I tend to wear as a magician. I've got the casual black jeans.
Favourite suit in a pack of cards!
Because the magician we have multiple suits, you see? Yeah. Special pockets and all that. That's where my mind went. Yeah. They really have to be Hearts.
Hearts. Okay, I'm favourite card. Playing Card. Yeah, in hearts.
Probably the Queen of Hearts, I would say,
Queen of hearts. And given the freedom that you're now experiencing, what's a maxim that you are trying to live by?
Just continue to be present for my family.
Well, I think on that honourable and authentic comment, Alex will pause our conversation. Thank you so much for turning up as my first second guest.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate you sharing some of the vulnerabilities and what you're going through right now.
Yeah, thank you for all those questions and appreciate Thank you for having me back. Cheers.
Cheers.
